I Think My Spouse Is Lying, But I Don’t Have Proof.

I think my spouse is lying to me but I don’t have proof what should I

do Randon how’s it going man it’s going really good actually I

uh yeah I want to ask you something I had something on my mind okay um I’m

always worried I’m always worried when you bring that up that way I’m G to bring up a couple words and

I just want to see what comes up for you okay so this is dangerous yeah so well

first word is

perro I love perro Brandon you do I didn’t know oh I I love it man in fact

it’s been it’s been like a like a conflict in my marriage because I like it and my wife like doesn’t think I

should like it did have you ever had Creo Brew no oh dude it’s like pero on

steroids it’s you would love it okay go to go to

Harmon’s they sell it there this this episode is sponsored by Creo Brew go to

harm and buy it by by perro it’s like a child that’s a childhood memory right

there Brandon we uh we I I have images now like what came to

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my mind Brandon is images of dad like we were kids like probably you know 10 or 11 years old maybe eight or nine and dad

would come out in the morning for breakfast and he’d be in this like old old bathrobe that he used to have like

had holes in it and he would that that mice had literally like chewed

through and then he would pull out he’d pull out the canister of perrow and like

mix up a hot cup of perro and like drink it for breakfast and we know we sit there and watch and be like what is that

like is that like hot chocolate and it’s it’s basically just like a coffee substitute you know it’s odd this is odd

but Dad Dad was a huge Peril guy right he loved it man but Grandpa was a more of a postum

guy post him and pero they’re basically the same thing basically the same thing but why was Dad aaro guy postm guy

that’s why did he break tradition grandpa with his postm and his his big chunk of shredded

wheat shred shreded week without the sugar on it just like straight sh straight just straight fiber just

straight Shredded Wheat with his postum you’re bringing back some memories from

childhood Brad yeah see I knew it you know yeah that’s funny I I think I actually

do have some Peril at home right now and once in a while I busted out just for Old Time sake well it’s your birthday

next month I I I mean I’ll tell you now I’m going to get you the the sampler of poo brew that you can get can’t wait to

can’t wait to try it man yeah um well um how do we shift from that yeah

let’s let’s get into the question now um which which was about like hey something

is off in our relationship basically I feel like my spouse is lying to me but I don’t have any proof how many times have

you heard that before Brandon oh my goodness um yeah I mean that’s what we do and there we’ve seen it a a gazillion

times I think we should back up a little bit and just maybe talk

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about what are the what are the things or the signs that you are being lied to

because your gut might just be picking it up and just sensing it and so you you

can feel it in in the air but but you can’t pinpoint it um and so I think it’s

helpful to to know that you’re not crazy and that you are seeing some signs and

that you’re your intuition is picking up on some things um so Tyler what are some signs that that you’re being lied to

yeah um well even even maybe before that Brandon I’m going to back up one step further a little bit and just say that I

think it’s for people listening this is a a really really normal phenomena and

what a lot of times happens is is that the person who feels like there’s dishonesty going on in the

relationship they start to feel crazy because they can’t find the tangible proof and then they spend a ton ton of

their time trying to chase down the tangible proof and it makes them feel crazier all the while it doesn’t

actually yield any results a lot of the time yeah they get they get in this kind

of spinning anxiety I got to find proof something’s off um I don’t know what I

don’t know yeah yeah and it can be really it can be really unsettling and you can kind of feel you know the way

that it gets described to me a lot is it’s like in the relationship I feel like the ground is shaking underneath my feet but I don’t know why like I don’t

know I I can’t see the earthquake but there’s something happening and things don’t quite feel safe and secure in the

relationship there seems to be like a pattern of communication that has like a thread of energy to it that that doesn’t

quite feel authentic and that causes the unsettled feeling to come up even though

there’s not like oh I just found this on their phone or I just heard them talking to this person or whatever

else um so yeah so so kind of back to your original question Brandon it’s like

a lot of times people people start to feel based off of

an energy between the the partnership but then also other kinds of behaviors

sometimes get attached to the fact that there’s some lying and some dishonesty that’s going on there yep so those other

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behaviors would include things like um other pieces of dishonesty and

other parts of the relationship even if they don’t seem like a big deal you know like um for some reason just not quite

being fully honest about where I’m at on my way home from work where I could be three miles away in a different spot but

I somehow s mil little lies little little tiny white lies or you or you

hear them you know lie to a friend on the phone about why they can’t go to some function and and they they can just

nonchalantly pass that off with e a li thinking that it’s no big deal which it probably isn’t in that moment but that’s

a pattern that’s kind of established um defensiveness there A lot of times

defensiveness is a sign that there might be something else underneath the surface because I’m trying to back you off every

time you get close so explain some examples of that it would be there’s

different forms of defensiveness yeah so it would be the kind of thing where you know maybe maybe

my wife comes to me and she says hey Tyler something feels really off right now in our relationship and I kind of

get all huffy and be like what what what’s wrong I’m doing everything I can to be a good husband like this and that

and the other like you know that would could be one form of defensiveness or another way this is pure gaslighting is

is that I might actually turn it back on to her and say oh well sounds like you got something to work on in our

relationship maybe you should go get some counseling and figure out what’s going on for you right now right um all

the while I’m holding on to the secrets but I’d rather just have you continue to think that you’re the one who’s got the

problem and who’s Crazy rather than taking ownership for it because I’m too afraid to bring it into the light right

mean when you bring up defensiveness Tyler the the reality is is everything that we talk about when in terms of

signs that they’re they’re not safe and that they’re lying is defensiveness like Little White Lies is their defending

against a a reality um you know getting all huffy or turning the tables um or

shutting down or getting all compliant and being really really nice like all of

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that is defending against a reality that they don’t want you to

see and so if they can if they can get you to not see that

reality they don’t have to deal with that reality and for you and you you

talk about getting gaset um which that buzzword has taken off and is almost

overused like crazy but that’s another topic um but you say it’s kind of the energy

of unsettling in the relationship um we we sometimes call it crazy making you just feel like you

don’t know what you don’t know you feel like you don’t know them right um and

then you start to turn it on yourself and say am I crazy am I second guessing myself what’s wrong with me um because

yeah or you’ll start spinning looking for proof Tyler have you I’m sure you had this happen a lot but when a partner

finds out what the LIE is they get crushed it’s extremely hard but there’s

this ALS also this other side of them that’s somewhat relieved yeah because it’s like oh well it all makes sense now

oh I’m not crazy it’s almost like a it’s it’s weird because it’s a painful traumatizing thing but it’s almost like

a puzzle piece snaps into place where it’s like okay like my gut my gut feeling was telling me something and I

didn’t know how to handle it but my gut was actually on some level my gut was right right right right you can trust

yourself you’re not off oh my gosh this all makes sense and we’ve seen people

hold these lies and Gaslight and defend for years in years and years and um you

know it’s interesting Tyler somebody who is is a is a liar who’s lying a

lot um they have a really hard time with vulnerable things so things like empathy

um accountability um and that’s actually a good thing and here hear me out here

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it’s actually a good thing that they suck at those things and the reason

because think about it if they stay and sometimes this happens if they stay really good at intimacy really really

good at empathy really good at accountability and oh by the way I have this big secret over here that I’m

continuing to do it’s really confusing and crushing for the partner because

it’s like how can that be like I and and most people are not good at that most

people cannot do both at the same time um they shame won’t let them the shame

kind of gets in the way well Shame Shame unravels the ability to have empathy

right and and so if if they can keep

being empathetic and connected but still have secrets that does almost irreparable damage to the

relationship because it for the partner it’s like I I never know when I can trust you because before you felt

trustworthy you were hurting me right and so luckily

usually what you just said is true if I have a lot of shame I can’t be empathetic I usually have a lot of Shame when I’m keeping a lot of Secrets I’m defending a lot and so therefore you know that like

you’re not connected to me because I’m hiding things yeah right yep would it be

all right Brandon if maybe I just gave and this doesn’t have to be an exhaustive list but maybe a

few kinds of ways that that defensiveness comes through or that denial or that hiding comes through even

when you can’t put your finger on it and then maybe later on we can get into like well what do you do about it even if you

don’t have the proof because that was the question so yeah so here’s a couple of other things and we don’t have to

spend a ton of time on these but one one way that you’ll start to feel something

is off is there’s a there’s a tactic that the person who’s being dishonest will use called

distraction and distraction will be the kind of thing where you know maybe I’m coming home for for the for the day and

something happened to my day that I don’t want to talk about with my partner and when right when I walk in the door my partner’s like hey how was your day

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tell me all about your day and I quickly move it to my day was great what about yours tell me all about yours what about

this what about that what about this what about this and I’m G to I’m going to put you off the scent by distracting onto something else or you know maybe

maybe we need to have a discussion about the fact that I was late getting home from work but instead I’m going to hurry

and shift it over to something the kids did that day or something that went on with my friends that I’m mad about or or

something else to avoid having that conversation like oh hey yeah hey do you want some

perrow um yeah you want want can really it can really be anything huh it’s like

it’s like any little tiny thing to take you off the scent that’s distraction and

some some people are really good at it like and they also know your little

buttons it’s like that neighbor that drives you nuts it’s like hey uh you know where were you after work oh you

know I did you see the neighbor like you know doing that thing in their yard yeah

like like hurry and put the focus somewhere else like and she and and she or he is like yeah go that neighbor and

and then you’re like oh thank goodness we don’t have to have that conversation thank goodness the neighbor was some bathing in the front yard you know it’s

like thank goodness today I got got got the person off the scent of whatever my vulnerability was

right yeah um so that’s one another one is actually the use of hopelessness my

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partner may come to me and want to have a discussion about something and instead of like me just kind of hanging in there

and having that conversation and being honest I hurry and drop into like whoo is me I’m no good like I can’t do

anything right like and now now what I’m doing is getting you to caretake me instead of actually have the discussion

that needs to be had yeah so this this one gets really Insidious and dangerous

at times it’s like like somebody who’s who’s got some things they need to to get into the light um even to the point

of like well and so they get confronted and they’re like well I’m suicidal or

I’m this and so now it’s like now I have to take care of you but what we’re not addressing is the actual underneath the

actual things and so as your partner it’s just safety time and I’m just making sure that you’re okay and the

partner’s like yeah like we’re definitely not getting down to things we’re so far from that because of this

hopelessness yep here’s another one and this is a classic one for someone who

prides thems in being an honest person like they’ll talk about how honest they are and how much they value Integrity

they love this one because they can justify it it’s called omitting where

well you didn’t ask the exact question so I didn’t actually tell you but I didn’t lie to you yeah right so it’s

like all of this stuff is going on but because you didn’t ask and I didn’t say it I’m being

honest um but what I’m really doing is I’m leaving out the pertinent details that actually would really matter to you

I would almost say Tyler that there are overall there are more lies that are

never said like things that are never said than lies that are

said right do you understand what I mean 100% there’s more dishonesty by Omission

than there is by commission yeah yeah yeah exactly I mean it’s so I mean and

we I’m sure we’ve done it I’ve done it in my life it’s like that was one of my favorites I’ll just leave that one out

like that little thing like I didn’t have to lie yeah and I think the the the

part that’s a lie is you’re lying to yourself knowing that that’s something that the other person probably has a

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right to hear or needs to hear for their own safety and their own life and you’re

you’re like nope I’m not I’m going to hold that one and and your lying to yourself that that’s okay yeah you’re

and and maybe you’re even lying to yourself saying you’re doing them a favor when in reality they jusy know

that information yeah um another one blaming um flipping it back around and blaming you the other

person is a way to be dishonest and protect a lie um comparing uh can I just with

blaming I’ve I’ve heard it where it’s like that like they will start a fight

with their spouse they will then go out and do something

act out horrible yeah come back and they’ll kind of own it like well yeah

but but I did it because you suck I did it because of you you know and that’s

just that so yeah they might be owning that they did it but they’re not owning that they did it yeah it kind it’s like

a dime a dozen that this happens this happened in my office yesterday it happens frequently in my office a lady

confronted her husband about his Perpetual pornography use in my office yesterday and he admitted to the

Perpetual pornography use but then he wanted to explain to her that the reason he had to do it was because she wasn’t

emotionally available to him and he had to figure out how to feel that void yeah that’s there you go yeah so

somehow so somehow it’s like saying I’m sorry not sorry yeah yeah you know I’m

sorry it’s your fault I’m sorry it’s your fault and because you did that did it that then that means I had to do this

um it’s it is your fault so there’s like a that’s that’s blaming um and that’s

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dishonest it’s doesn’t take accountability a couple others Brandon real quick um

comparing uh a way to stay dishonest is to compare whatever you’re going through

to somebody else and then put the focus on the comparison instead mhm so you

know well you know it’s your your partner approaches you’re like hey you got a problem with being like late getting home from work every night and

that causes me to feel a little bit unstable and I’m wondering where you’re at or what you’re doing well it could be worse I could be going to like you know

like so and so down the street or so and so in my group does this or this or this and uh and then it’s like well yeah but

you’re still not being honest like yeah you know it’s like if I scroll for an hour a day and it’s like you know

unhealthy or whatever I’m scrolling but I’m like go you know this family member

that they’re scrolling like three hours a day like there’re so like I really don’t have that big a problem I have

nothing to own here cuz look at them like it could be them you know I’m only drinking five beers a day and my buddy drinks 12 he does a 12 pack so like I can hey I can drink five what’s wrong

with that exactly exactly yep maybe two more Brandon here the for next one is

compliance this is my least favorite one because it just it twists me up inside

I’m going to go through the motions of doing what I think you want me to do but I’m actually not doing it with my heart

engaged in it it’s to get you off my back it’s it’s to get you off my back so that I can still have the secret

underneath the surface but it looks like I’m doing everything right and then of

course things blow up later on and it doesn’t work really well but it makes someone else feel crazy too it’s its own

form of gaslighting you here’s my you this is my least favorite one I I can’t

stand it I’ve seen it for years it’s so manipulative this is Mr

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Nice Guy to a te um and it’s it it’s so like I am good

and I’m so good that you should trust me even though my intention is not to

actually be honest and and I’m not trustworthy and I’m not

trustworthy yeah but it’s really hard to front so Partners a lot of times get feedback

from other people of like what’s your problem with them how come man they’re such a good person why do you have a

problem they’re so good like therapists will fall for it often where it’s like well that that one partner is so great

like and and they’re sitting over there with a big you know grin like yeah see I’m pulling this off like look they

think I’m awesome and and um yeah therapists will fall for it family

members will fall for it um spouses are left feeling crazy because they’re like well I should trust

them I guess but actually they’re not

trustworthy yeah um okay I said one more but two more

Brown and the next one is intellectualizing which in essence what intellectualizing is doing is it’s taking knowledge that could be used for

good and using it as a weapon to protect yourself and stay

stuck so coming to therapy and like learning a principle let’s say you learn about attachment Theory and then your

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partner starts to approach you because they’re stressed out and worried about whether or not you’re being honest about something and you turn around and be

like yeah well in therapy we learn that you have anxious attachment so that’s your issue yeah yeah like um so they

weaponize the actual work that you’re trying to do from the things you’re learning in therapy or the books you’re reading or whatever and that becomes a

weapon yeah you can see this um like jod does it a lot not not to bring her up

again but but she was she was a pro at that where she used big words she would

put words in the mouths of the wives so that they could justify all kinds of behaviors speak down to their partners

and and like really be like see you’re you’re to blame um I’m smart I have it

figured out um and here’s all the reasons why and and you know jod would use those big words to to try to get

people to do that and it it works it works to manipulate um but it doesn’t work to to

actually solve any problems no and it does it allows for dishonesty to stay in place y um and then the last one Brandon

is minimizing and minimizing is making things small or seem insignificant so

that you don’t have to take ownership for them and uh and that’s something that a lot of Partners who feel like

they’re being lied to this is one that’s very very common you start to pick up on that stuff like well it’s not really not

that big of a deal that blank you know yeah it’s it’s not that big deal um it’s

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just or or only I’m only it’s just it’s not that big of a deal right yeah and

I’m not really hurting anyone yeah you know Tyler when when we do full disclosures um you start to work through

them and you can see all these forms of denial and lying and manipulation um but it’s really apparent

with the minimizing like you’ll be listening and it’s like well I did this one thing but I didn’t

it was only that or and so it’s like the disclosure is really quick of what the

thing was and then the minimization around it was is like long it’s like you

know it’s like well but it was only this and that and this and and it’s like no just stop with this was it this is it

this is what happened um and so yeah minimizing things trying to like soften

the blow but it actually makes it feel worse it makes it feel worse that that that lying is the thing that actually

causes the bigger problems yeah um so all right Tyler so what do you do if all

these things you just went through all these forms of denial all these forms of manipulation

lying if you have a partner who’s um a pro at this really good at this and

you’re kind of spinning thinking okay like what do I do now because I

don’t have proof that they’re lying but they sure act like a liar what do you do yeah um one one

thing that I recommend to people who especially if there’s already been like a big breach of trust somewhere and it’s

like it’s it’s already unstable um a lot of times I tell people

to trust their gut and set their boundaries accordingly and then check it

out later um because because a lot of times people people almost lose trust in

themselves when they can’t put their finger on the tangible thing that the lie that’s happening and they feel like they have to have the proof before they

set the boundary that they need and and then it actually causes them to have

less confidence in themselves and their ability to make decisions and so what I encourage people to do is go off of what

your gut is set the boundary that you feel like you need to in order to maintain your groundedness and your

Safety and Security emotion and then let the dust settle and um and

and you can set the boundary off of all of these other things that I just mentioned these are like secondary

things that you pick up on the minimizing the rationalizing the the intellectualizing well Tyler I I I

would like the boundary and and we could

really get in this discussion the boundary has nothing to do with the other person like it really

you don’t want to set aary of like you can’t minimize things you blame you want

to set a boundary of I’m not feeling safe and this is what I need for me right um and and they might be like

whoa what did I do and and you don’t have to say anything like you know I’m just feeling

unsafe and so this is what I’m going to need right this is what I’m going to do yeah but I want to come back to you just

said something Tyler that is really good really profound um I forget you how you said it

set the boundary and let the dust settle for first right MH now to somebody who

doesn’t trust themsel they have a really hard time doing

that oh absolutely yeah and and and because there isn’t something tangible

it’s almost like an Act of Faith to do that like that’s how it feels yeah yeah

so it’s like really hard to say look I’m feeling this and I need this and this is

what’s in my control for me I’m going to go forth and do this when you’ve been

gas lit and you’re crazy making and you’re spinning and wondering if you’re the problem and all this it’s really

difficult to do what Tyler said and yet there’s so much wisdom in what Tyler said because what you’re practicing

you’re learning how to show up authentic yourself you’re learning how to show up honest yourself and you’re learning how

to take care of your yourself first and foremost which is actually good for the

relationship that’s a loving thing to do right 100% 100% And and it’s the loving thing

to do for yourself and it and it does offer something to the relationship I’ll

give you an example of this all right Brandon personal example this happened this has happened multiple times since I

started my own Journey um with this there were times when my wife would come

to me and she’d say in essence man something feels off right now I don’t know what it is but something feels off

have you done something and I’d be i’ honestly hadn’t gone and acted out or done anything wrong in my mind so I’d

tell her like no I like I haven’t done anything like I haven’t acted out I haven’t done this I’m not lying to you

about stuff and then she would go oh it still doesn’t feel right like I’m going

to take some space and she’d sometimes go to dinner with a friend sometimes she’d leave for the night sometimes she’d go for a drive and in that space

that she took for herself because she just didn’t quite feel right that Gap

was a gift to me because then I’d go into myself and be like man what what would possibly be kicking off for her to

make her feel this way right now because I haven’t acted out I haven’t been lying to her and being dishonest but then I’d

go into myself and often times I’d find like oh man I’ve been not I’ve been not

telling her about this thing that’s been going on in the side with a like a potential like business deal or

oh man I’ve been really really stressed with work and my stress is probably trickling into like she’s feeling that

from me and and then when she’d come back I’d be able to come to her and say hey I’m not sure if this is the what’s

happening or not but these are the things that came to my mind uh I wonder if some of this is what

you’re feeling from me and that was then she didn’t feel crazy then she’d be like okay so maybe there was something maybe

it wasn’t that Tyler acted out but there was something that I was picking up on that that felt

off right and it gave me and it gave me the opportunity to then be introspective and and

that’s that’s something that I haven’t been in the past as very self- introspective and be able to identify my

own thoughts emotions and so her boundaries for herself were a natural

gift to me and then my ability to kind of go into myself and then bring it back to her was also a chance to then have

some kind of communication that was that was positive and and able to build trust

yeah that space that you take you know if you’re able to reflect you know and

it’s not always it’s not always okay I have to like rack my brain to figure out

something that I’ve done wrong um sometimes it’s I need to just pump the brakes and maybe maybe practice a little

compassion for her because she’s got this test coming up at school she’s really stressed out and she’s projecting

those emotions over on me and I want to be patient and I want to be mind and you

know what like she’s she’s kind of like um you know pointing it toward me but

that’s okay I can be boundaried with that um you know it might be that it

might be you have this business deal that you’re doing and you’re being shady and her intuition is absolutely picking

up on you’re being a dishonest person right but the point is is for her to be

able to stop and say I don’t know what is I don’t know if this is my stress

from school I don’t know if this is um you being a shady person but I do know

this I’m not going to smile and pretend like everything’s okay have sex with you tonight and like I’m not going to be

there right now with you because that’s not where I’m at I need to do my self-care I need to take care of me and

have my boundaries first and foremost perfect perfectly said

Brandon um so so in essence you’re not out anything to follow your gut and be

authentic and set the boundary even if you don’t have the proof exactly let the proof thing Go Let

It Go um step into your own boundaries and um you know you cannot force

anybody to be honest with you I’ve seen crazy things Tyler where there has been

blatant proof like blatant proof of something and the person who has cheated or lied

or whatever still can’t get honest still won’t get honest it’s like

in their face I had can I tell a story on that

one like it just made me think this is a long time ago when I was doing drug court we had had this guy like drug

court was really cool because we could take people and kind of move them in and out of different levels of incarceration

slash care through the whole thing and and our program prioritized honesty

above all all else even above sobriety and we had this guy this guy

like dead to wrs like people in the program had reported being there watching him use and then he came up

dirty twice on his uas and and so he’s just like dead to rights and the poo is

like hey dude you just want to come clean like you’re going to court on Thursday if you come clean with us we

can just do a small sanction keep you going keep you going to treatment keep you in the program and the way drug

court worked is if you drop out a drug court you have to go finish your jail or prison senten and this guy had he had

five years of prison time over his head oh my gosh and it got to be the day before court and he came into group with

me and I like I hit him with the whole kitchen sink I played like you know that like liars song by the Spice Girls and

talked about trust and honesty and that sounds like a great therapeutic intervention the Spice Girls I bust I

busted out the Spice Girls had a disc had a discussion about like honesty and integrity and the possibility of Freedom

if you could just be honest and then I had a personal conversation with them and I was like dude like everybody knows

everybody knows like there’s there’s no way around this all you have to do is go to court tomorrow and say hey I messed

up I’m sorry and you’ll be here next week but if you don’t I am telling you right now you’re going to prison for

five years he goes to court the next day and the judge is like hey dude all we

need is your honesty he’s like I didn’t do anything wrong judge I didn’t use boom gone 5 years prison like oh my gosh

like why couldn’t he just get honest all he needed to do was just get

honest yeah it’s yeah it well and it’s because the defenses are so ingrained at

that point that the the biggest thing for them to do is to is to lie is to

defend and some sometimes the healing starts immediately when you get honest

you know I I don’t know how how many of my opiate addicts that I worked with they for some reason loved poppy seed

muffins and they were just eating them every day that they somehow they have like four poppy seed muffins oh it was

my muffin it was my muffin that always pops dirty for op this is dirty like

this oh my muffin well may maybe stop eating the muffins you know we know it’s

not the muffins yeah it’s not the muffins we’re not

stupid but back to the point of for the for the

partner if you let the proof the proof needing the proof go now sometimes proof is nice it helps it helps you make

decisions on your future in your life um but you’re not always going to get it

and if you’re if if you don’t get the proof you still have your intuition you

still have your ability to control the things in your life and um it’s okay to

seek safety when you’re in a relationship with somebody who’s doing all the things that Tyler listed it’s

okay to back away a little bit to not stay in an environment where you’re

being manipulated all the time um it’s okay to rely on support from other

people who can tell you that you’re not crazy that your gut and your intuition

is is on and it’s okay that you’re feeling what you’re feeling and it’s

valid that you feel what you feel so get that support get that space practice the

serenity prayer and what’s in your control for you trust your gut and have

those healthy boundaries beautifully said Brandon um hopefully this is helpful for

some of you who might find yourself a situation like this trust yourself um thank you for being here with us we love

the community that we have with you we’re grateful for your support of us and uh you guys have a great week until

next time keep on keeping on