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May 21, 2025

Let’s Break Down Brannon’s BREAKDOWN

With Tyler Patrick LMFT + Brannon Patrick LCSW

In this episode, Tyler and Brannon talks about the unique approach to storytelling and content creation. They highlight key elements that make Brannon’s work stand out, such as his engaging narrative style and innovative techniques. The breakdown not only showcases Brannon’s strengths but also offers valuable insights for aspiring creators looking to enhance their own content.

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let’s break down Brandon’s breakdown what’s up Tyler what’s going on man i’m
excited for this one you’re going to be on the hot seat finally for the first time in a while yeah it’s not what you think i mean I could get personal we
could talk about all kinds of breakdowns in my life but it’s not what you think i
just had I just had a guy on the phone earlier this week i was talking to him and he was talking about the podcast and
our relationship on the podcast and he’s like he’s like dude I don’t know how you do it um he’s like Brandon always throws
stuff out there that like either makes you uncomfortable or he makes fun of you or whatever and all you ever do is just like laugh with him he’s like you should
give you should give it back to him you you’d have to go into a a big
explanation about our childhood to let him know why the dynamics are the way they are like I am trained for 45 years
on how to do this and so is Tyler tyler’s very good at knowing how to survive you’re just you’re just seeing
our survival skills what Yeah what what he was what he’s witnessing is how both of us have survived in this world yeah
yeah i mean I play that part of the middle ground i can like you know push it out a little like and Tyler can just
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like keep the peace and like just roll with it it’s fine no big no big deal
at least today we’re going to be talking about your breakdown a little bit instead of me so that’s good yeah that’s
funny he said that i hope the thing about it is is I would love it if you did you know if you threw some random
weird thing out there like whoa Tyler okay I had one I had one pop up I had one pop
up in my mind this this week and this kind of throws uh throws Rex under the
bus a little bit our brother but he can take it he can I think he can handle it but uh I was uh as long as it’s not
about Irish Spring there’s too much drama around Irish Spring for later
so uh no I was I was going through like old pictures with my daughter this weekend she brought in my my old old
picture books and she sat down and she’s like “Hey Dad I want to go through these i want you to tell me all the stories about your pictures.” and uh
she she she was kind of going through all our childhood pictures and for some reason in my photos like the hard copy
photos you know the old photos there’s an image of Rex when it was I think it was my senior year his freshman year we
went to the state championship and all the underassmen we gave like really funky haircuts to uhhuh and we gave Rex
a haircut we were the Highland Rams we were the Highland Rams we gave Rex a haircut that was shaved into the shape of of the Rams so it looked like he ram
horns ram Ram horns he had he had some phenomenal ram horns
and I was telling her yeah like the very first game of the state playoffs he was like running up and down the stands like trying to get the wave started with his
ram horns and then one night driving up the neighborhood to my one of my best friends house this car came by at an
intersection went through the intersection and I just see up on the top there’s this dude up on the top in a
saddle with cowboy boots and a speedo just riding on the top of the car and then as I drove by it was Rex with his
ram horns cowboy boots with cowboy boots and a speedo and his ram horns and they had
like tethered a saddle to the top of the car and he was just riding around the neighborhood sounds safe
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just just crazy so my daughter was like got a good laugh out of that one
which is the funny part of that is that’s not even that weird of a story at all that was just that was called like
the weekend yeah that was the weekend that’s life you know another day another weekend
so well should we talk about my breakdown yeah let’s get into it man like why don’t why don’t you kind of
explain what we’re what we’re thinking here um all right let me use an analogy
here a little bit um it’s uh I I grew up a Utah Jazz fan and um it’s it’s been
hard to stay a Jazz fan over the years hey my forget about your time on the NBA
in general oh I know talk about trauma just bad years after yeah like hopes
anyways I won’t get into all of that but tonight is the uh the lottery for the
NBA to get you know the Jazz tanked and tried to get the the best odds to get the the first pick um but it’s
fascinating to watch like what’s going on um they had two really good players
that are both in the playoffs Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Goar they’re both in the playoffs right now um their teams
are thriving and they had both of them on the team and I think it was three
years ago maybe three or four years ago um four years ago I think both of these
guys were allstars yeah all stars good players um Jazz decided to just tear it
down just uh just trade them um get get rid of them get some assets
as a result and start at square one and rebuild um so they broke it down and
um I’m in a similar part phase in my life it’s actually really fun i’m
enjoying it but you know selling my business you got a lot of stress on your plate as a result of what you’ve gone
and done yeah my steady paycheck is gone um I’m starting from square one we’re
starting over again and it’s it’s been really interesting to me it’s you know
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you’d look at that and you’d say why would why would the jazz why would Brandon why would Brandon have a
practice where he has 25 therapists working under him and he’s basically just rolling with a like a successful
business why would you go burn it all down yeah and and I so I think there’s
something to learn here and I think it’s important across different areas of life
and we all go through this there’s this pattern that we go through and we we
work really hard to create what we’re going to create whether it’s our relationships our careers our businesses
and we we do what we can to create and as you do that things start to happen
you’ll fail with some things and they won’t come to fruition you’ll succeed at other things and they’ll those will go
well um you’ll succeed for a while and then start to come up against some hard
things that are difficult um but whatever you’re in whether it’s a relationship or a business
um you like you’ll start to get feedback that is telling you that this is where
you’re supposed to be or not a and we Tyler we confuse what that feedback is a
lot of us think that the feedback is is that I feel comfortable okay I feel secure i feel
comfortable um that’s not like that that ultimately
is what creates a lot of depression and a lot of um people feeling like there’s
there’s a void in their life and they’re unwilling to tear it down tear some
things down whether it’s a a marriage or a business or relationships they’ve built they’re
unwilling to tear those things down because they’re comfortable in what they are but they
feel feelings of depression and resentment and just a lack in their life
going on and what they need is they need to actually tear some things down what
are you thinking Tyler yeah well as you’re talking Brandon it’s like I’m thinking of the reasons why we choose to
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do the things that we do in the first place to get to the place that we get to where then you have to burn it down and
and I think a lot of times it’s a kind of a weird dialectic that that the
reason we choose to do things often is because we’re in a state of discomfort to the point that we want something
better or in a state of uncertainty and we’re trying to create certainty and then as we grow towards those places
once we finally arrive there the the like let’s just take
certainty for a second you know I’m thinking of this Brandon like in terms of
um this is this is something that’s really difficult for couples who have been through betrayal because at the
beginning there’s no trust it’s been totally shattered and so there’s a certain way of living in that state to
see if trust is going to rebuild itself and so you’re really heavy on certain kinds of boundaries is you’re really
heavy on self-p protection you’re really heavy on looking for like people who’ve been betrayed want a guarantee it’s never going to happen again and that
guarantee can never actually come um and so they build into this place of safety
safety safety safety safety safety well and I would put quotation marks on that type of safety yeah well and that’s what
I think is the problem is is they can get to a spot where they’re safe in quotes smart but what they’re
really wanting the deeper desires of their hearts is to be in a relationship where there’s deep connection and deep
connection can only come through uncertainty and vulnerability
and empathy and so then I have to in some ways burn down the very thing that
I used to get back to being stable again after feeling crazy in order to lean back into a relationship that doesn’t
actually provide guarantees that I’m safe for the sake of my overall goal which is that I want
deeper connection th This is a perfect example Tyler i love it and it’s so applicable to what we talk about all the
time um because it’s like I can do things that help me know that I’m not
going to get hurt right but those very things that I do that create this quote
safety are undermining my ability to feel trust and intimacy and deep
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connection the things that I really desire actually th the things that I’m actually trying to protect myself from
like like what I really desire is those things and I’m worried that I’m not going to get them so I do things to feel
safe that undermine getting those things that’s right
um and these systems they they get put in place unconsciously and automatically
and they go on over time and you start to get certain outcomes from them and a
lot of times people won’t listen to the outcomes they’re more concerned in the protection mode in the comfort and the
making sure they’re okay tyler for a for for years I knew that I wasn’t supposed
to be in my partnership and in my business i know you you were talking to me probably three or four years ago
about the fact that you knew that something probably wasn’t quite in alignment with where your life needed to
go and I think we had multiple talks i even remember having one of our best friends have a very frank talk with you
about three or four years ago it was Frank and he was he was dead on but it
took you three or four years to get to where you could get yourself to make the decision to do what you did because
there’s a lot of risk involved in what you chose to do absolutely who wants to tear it down who wants to you know so so
it puts you between a rock and a hard place where it’s like okay I’m I have
worked extremely hard to get this comfortable and yet there’s this deeper
sense of self and purpose there’s there’s a part of me that’s dying as a
result of being in this situation so I got to ask myself the question what is
more important here I am middle-aged you know talk about midlife crisis here um middle-aged you got to
ask yourself okay like is this it like I’ve kind of made it like I’m
comfortable but I feel like this isn’t it right and I’m not just talking about
me and my situation i’m talking about anyone in a relationship in a career i
went to dinner last week Tyler and I was t talking to these friends of
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mine and every single one of them was in a place of like I want more out of my
life i don’t feel fulfilled and they’re all comfortable
they all have enough money they’re all surviving um they all have food on the
table and they’re just like a little bit dead inside what do they need to do that what they
they think they need to do is like work harder and and like try harder they need
to tear some stuff down whether it’s their belief systems whether it’s their comfort tyler I’ve never been more
motivated than right now i’m I’m motivated right
um because I’ve gotten myself in this situation so right well Brandon I you
know as you’re talking I think we’re probably where we’re at in our lives too we see this we’re experiencing it I
think in some ways ourselves um you know you talk about all your friends midlife crisis i wonder how
many of our listeners right now are sitting there listening to this going “Two things i really want something more
out of my life than this cubicle that I’m sitting in right now doing my nice safe stable job that provides for my
family but I am dying every single day that I come to work
and and then you have someone like the the therapy brothers here when you say Tyler when you say dying you’re like
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it’s this slow just like blah it’s like a slow internal like numbing death to
life but I feel handcuffed because I can’t go take the risks anymore because
I got a family to provide for i got kids to provide for i got to pay the bills i got to pay the mortgage i got to do
everything else and I worked my butt off to get to this spot that I’m currently in that I thought man I remember this
Brandon like this is crazy to think about getting out of grad school this is a long time ago a couple decades ago and
we got out of grad school and I was getting paid just like really minimal wages like I was making like 35 grand a
year as a full-time therapist for the drug courts and um and then I was kind
of getting incremental raises and I remember sitting with my wife and going like man if you could just make a salary of just a college professor then we
would just would have made it and that that I think that rate there at the time was like you know 60 or 70 or maybe 80
grand topped out at like 80 grand back then and I was like man we will have arrived and then uh you know two decades
later we’ve blown way past that mark and what are we doing feeling feeling like it’s not enough it’s like oh gez if we
could just make this if we could just do this if we could just do that but but but then when you finally arrive you sit
there on it and then you feel comfortable in it and I think what you’re saying Brandon this is actually really difficult is when is the right
time to stay in the comfort and when is the right time to take the risk but but
eventually I’m going to have to take the risk and I got this image in my mind while you were talking excuse the the
metaphor here but we went to Alaska a couple of times and one time we
went on this little hike to see the bears um but you also could look down in the river and it was just like sheets of
salmon that you could see in the water eagle flying down grabbing the salmon i mean it was just like straight out of a
a nature and beautiful show yeah and where we went to there was a waterfall
and the waterfall is where the salmon have to go up in order to continue their
journey upstream to eventually spawn that’s their last real act of life before they die is they get to pass on
their DNA and have some kind of offspring something to show for it um but then you’d watch these salmon try to
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jump up the waterfall and multiple times they would get smashed back down or they’d get get
grabbed by a bear you know but they get smashed back down and then you’d see them go into this big deep pool at the
bottom of the waterfall and they’d sit there and they’d sit there and sit there and sit there but eventually what do
they do they’d start swimming again they had to try again and they might they might do
that multiple times before they finally get up over the waterfall only to then go further upstream probably to another
waterfall with other bears and eagles or they might die trying but but they would be better off and the salmon doesn’t
know any better because the salmon has it built into them to know that what they have to do before they die is to
get to their spawning grounds and and complete that last action we as human beings are different we actually find
that pool of of water and we get kicked around by the current a couple of times and we have a bear claw at us and we’re
like uh I think I’d rather just s like die this slow death without the final
payoff of continued growth than put myself at risk of getting slammed down again because what will people think or
what will this or what will that or whatever whatever else and in doing so we are now the ones who are slowly
closing our prison cell until we die a slow death in that pool at the bottom of a waterfall with no final
growth let me I love this analogy let me let me see if I can explain a concept
here that I think is really important that that this analogy works for
um the the living Tyler is is about the swimming up the river it’s not about
getting to the final pool like that’s the living that’s the that’s like hey
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like I feel like I’m like I’m in my purpose i’m you know you take someone
like like Martin Luther King or somebody and I I don’t think he’d say well the
most important thing is that I had enough money to have a house
right for him his he had purpose he had that there there was a reason to live
and I guess what I’m saying is um where whatever we’re doing
um comfort is not the end goal living in our purpose what did God
make us for that’s our end goal beyond everything else like you you might look
at it and be like “God I can make a million dollars easily over there or I could like be on the front of the
battlefield over there i feel like I’m supposed to be on the battlefield.” You know it’s it’s same with your story
about you you got that college professor job Tyler you talk talk about a cush
comfortable job like that that’s probably not going out of business right
but you chose living you chose purpose and you tore down everything that you
had worked for and started fresh i mean we were laughing the other day about how
hard it was to get our first clients and you you you turned down your comfortable
job that you had worked so hard for to step into that and and and so the point I’m trying
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to make is we we have a kind of a messed up sense of okayess i think and and
we’re we’re conditioned into this it’s it’s very fixed mindsety it’s that once
you arrive here once you arrive there then you’ve made it you just said it Tyler a certain
income a wife and kids then you’ve made it but that’s a lie
well yeah that’s a lie but that’s also and and I think what you’re saying Brandon about the being in the current
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and swimming is the living and the sitting in the pool and resting for a time is also part of the living you just
can’t get stuck there and where humans go is they sometimes choose to get stuck
until they’re lying on their deathbed at night going “Why didn’t I try to swim
that waterfall one more time why didn’t I Yeah you know um they they can get
themselves to stay in that pool for too long and and then they’re gone or you know
another another visual that I’m having is I like to climb the mountains up around my house and I’ll pick a peak
that I want to get to and the mountains are deceiving because it looks like you just walk straight up but what you end
up walking up a ridge is you walk up and then you have what’s called a false summit you think you’re there and then
when you get there you’re like you look up and there’s another one and another one and sometimes there’s even a dip down where you lose the elevation that
you were gaining to have to get to the next part of the ridge to then go up again yeah and I hate losing the
progress of my elevation but it’s a necessary thing if I want to get to the very top yes and and I think as human
beings that’s another part of this that’s the struggle Brandon that where I think a lot of us silently get stuck is
when we’ve worked so hard to get to a certain place of what we would call perceived progress and then we look out at our
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life and realize I just got balloons coming up on my Zoom for me i don’t know what I just did there but um but happy
birthday so um but but then we look over the edge
and we’re like I got to go back down there in order to climb back up again like why would I do that like I’ve
worked too hard to get to this point and we hate we hate the loss of progress at
least perceived progress and if we’re looking at it from too narrow of a point of view then then a lot of times we
refuse to take the step back down into that next part of the ridge before we have to climb back up again but there’s
a there’s a whole there’s a different way of of like a different paradigm you can live in and instead of looking at
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that little hill you got to climb down and being like h like I I lose all my
progress you don’t look at it that way you don’t look at it as progress or not progress you get to go down that hill
that’s that’s an experience that’s exciting that’s good you get to rest your legs for a second yeah i mean every
every time you know in junior high like you know after a couple years you finally figure it out and you’re the
cool kid and then uh all of a sudden guess what junior high is over and you’re
starting with a whole batch of new kids going into high school and you you got to figure it out again you get out of
high school and you figured that out and you’re the you’re you know just thinking you you got it all you’re you’re
everything and boom knocked off your pedestal we’re starting again right you
get in a relationship and you’re about to get married and you think this person loves you and they dump you you’re
starting again right and and you can look at that that downhill with
like just eyes of just God is punishing you why is this
so hard why is it this way or you can understand that this is the nature of life this is the nature of
life now Tyler I don’t think we’re suggesting that you go burn it all down
are we no no i don’t think I mean not not just for the sake of burning it all down right right there should be some
forethought and some intention and also I think the biggest word that’s coming to mind is congruence i should burn down
you know I heard a quote by Jordan Peterson that said you know our lives are like driftwood and we should
constantly be burning the things that that don’t serve us anymore but too many people are too afraid because 95% of us
is driftwood and we can’t and we can’t handle the fire yeah um
and uh and so that there’s that fearful part of it you know that that always wants to step in it’s and it’s a human
thing Brandon i don’t I don’t think it’s I think most people when they’re faced with an instant change especially when they work really hard to get
somewhere it’s I think there’s a dance that has to be done with ourselves mentally and emotionally to get us to
embrace that oh wow I get to rest my legs for a second before I keep climbing or to see the bigger picture and say
that is the only way to the top of the peak so I’ve got to go do that um they’re they’re the people who get
really good at managing and letting their emotions become aware of them and flow through them and then change their
perspective and then embrace the fact that it’s not really moving backwards it’s moving even though it feels like
you’re going back down again for a minute you’re you’re you’re moving into more congruence into who who God was
designing you to be in the first place yep by doing that breakdown work and and
it can feel opposite it’s like congruence i’m feeling more stress i’m feeling not unstable i you know
instability that really that’s God’s work and yeah in some ways you step into that instability you you give it a
chance to reset you know if I built a a really well I’ll give you this analogy
the commanders my team since we’re talking about sports today um they just announced that they’re
building a brand new stadium uh right on the site of where RFK was um
their old stadium and so could I mean how how well could they
build a stadium if RFK was still there right you can’t you you can’t like you
just can’t you got to take some dynamite to it um I think Tyler we’re we’re all
about analogies today i got another one um forest fire what happens after a
forest fire it’s charred black
yeah where where do where do the elk hang out Tyler if you if you’re into hunting and you
want to hunt deer and elk you look for places where there was a forest fire three to seven years ago yeah why
because the undergrowth can finally re start to reestablish itself and that’s the food that’s the best possible food
for people yep for for the for the an for the animals yeah you want to find elk you look in the burns and and it’s
interesting that the there’s life where it burned down and there’s regrowth
there’s rebirth there’s change there’s newness that comes as a result yeah you
got that uh I mean people have heard this with the big fire in Yellowstone anyone who’s been to Yellowstone there’s that one area where you drive through
where the big fire was if you would have gone through there 20 years ago it would have been nothing but charred black
sticks and black ground and now it is so full of greenery and and what they found
is that the pine trees that are now growing it was the actual heat of the fire that opened the pine cones that
dropped the seeds yeah yeah and uh otherwise there wouldn’t be that many trees even with
natural growth yes that’s I mean the h how we as humans
um don’t operate that way or experience that like I don’t know why we we think that we don’t that because whether
whether you don’t because we think yeah that our ego our ego fights it ego
thinks yes but but guess what whether you think that you’re not going to experience that or not whether your ego
is protecting you against that or not it’s it’s happening in your life um the
fire is there the the burn is happening because we got to crack open some life
and it might be a slow burn it might be a hot burn but we got to crack open some life whether you like it or not um right
Tyler nobody can avoid it no you’re spot on there that’s a couple comments here in the chat have come up that that are
right along this line where Daniel says he it reminds him of way the superior
man where David says something like not sitting in comfort and always push yourself to your true edge
right that’s that’s where life is really found you know one more analogy since we’re using all sorts of nature analogies with that it’s like fishing
when you go when you fly fish you look for certain things in the water to know where the biggest concentration and the
biggest fish are going to be and The biggest fish like depth because that provides safety and coolness but they
also like current because the current is like the conveyor belt that brings the food and so the biggest fish will find a
spot that’s right in what’s called the seams where there’s a slow current that meets up with the fast current and they’ll sit in the slow current and
conserve their energy but they’ll dart into the fast current to get their food and life life is the most productive in
the seams between those two places where the current is fast and the current is slow i think you got analogy of the day
wow i got it i got it that’s a good one that was going to be one of my analogies
i I had this dream of like starting a company called therapy on the fly which would be guided float trips for clients
that want to come do marriage or like parent child work and then we’d have analogies of fly fishing all built into
the day of float floating down doing some fly fishing oh man life in the life is best lived in the seams is one of the
one of the big uh principles there so so say say more about it like let’s really flush this out so um it’s in the seam so
the fish is backing up in the comfort and then going into the current yeah and
the current the current fed the current brings two things it brings food and oxygen the movement of the water is what
produces oxygen in the water that the fish’s gills can process so so a fish that stays in very stagnant water
actually doesn’t survive very well they need current uh because they need the oxygen to be turning through and in
order to get oxygen the water has to be moving so so they’re in between the the swift and the sh and the the soft parts
of the water the soft parts of the water provide the rest so they don’t have to use all their energy it’s like the pool at the bottom of the waterfall for the
salmon but the but the fast currents are bringing oxygen and food to the fish and
they they need that they need both but the very thing that they need is the
thing that wears them out and the thing that challenges them and well on the other side the very thing they need to
rest can also lead to a slow death can kill them yeah that that is analogy of
the day that that is our life right there and the the reason why that’s so profound it Tyler especially in midlife
you know all my friends and clients and you get to this place of like
stagnation and you found a really nice deep pool yeah I found a good deep pool
and it’s like well guess what like the answer might be the opposite of what you want it to
be you might have to step into something challenging in order to feel alive again
you might have to step into something hard in order to feel on the edge again like who was it daniel talking about
living on living on the edge um if you’re not living on the edge you’re not really living and that that’s not uh
taking unneeded risks that’s not burning your life down that’s not what we’re saying what we’re saying is you have
purpose in you you have reason to live you have unique abilities talents if
you’re not stepping into figuring those things out then you’re and you and you
have figured out comfort you’re gonna feel depressed you’re gonna feel shut down you’re going to amp up your
addiction to try to feel alive yeah because you’re looking for something there’s still that itch to
scratch there’s still that part of you that needs that and I I believe we’re wired for growth and it’s the weirdest
thing because we work work work so that we can rest and then after we rest like this is what happened to me in Costa
Rica i was there for seven days almost eight days and the first couple days I’m like I’m just going to kick it you know
i’m going to sit on the beach do nothing just relax and by like day two and a half I’m like just crawling out of my
skin like walking on the beach I’m like I’m going to go for another walk my wife’s like why can’t you just sit down
and relax and I’m like I’m going to go look for shells or I’m going to go like do this or I’m going to go do that and
she’s like “Why can’t you just sit down and simply be here?” And uh you know and
then I sit and I think I work I work my tail off so that eventually I can retire and like sit on the
beach and uh and when I’m sitting on the beach you should never retire i’m going to be wishing I was sitting back in my
office talking to people helping people so So maybe I should just learn to be content with exactly right where we’re
at right now and that and that we as human beings we’re built better than anything else in this
world despite all of our limitations we are built to grow
we’re built to grow we are the perfect mechanism for con for continuous improvement
it it’s it’s interesting to me that the the healthiest things you can do for
yourself are the uncomfortable things you know it’s it feels backwards it’s like why did God make it that way
where if and you just answered that question Tyler um if I wake up and I
exercise in the morning that’s uncomfortable if I take risk in my business that’s
uncomfortable um and I could go on and on well those are those are some of the healthiest things that we can do
and like God has set it up that way because I believe and this is
like I believe that that’s the point of this life that’s the that’s the experience
that we’re in it’s just about growth it’s just about learning and if we’re not growing and we’re not learning and
we’re comfortable our whole life then you’ve never really lived that’s right i
I think I’ve shared this a long time ago but it’s one of my favorite quotes i sometimes when we get on this topic you
and I have our favorite topics you know I I always think of this quote and I I think of it in terms of especially when
it comes to like having a broken heart but it applies to the principle we’re talking about overall and it’s this by
CS Lewis um so you the goal of being in a relationship is to love right and I’m
learning a lot about love in my own life right now and realizing that love has very little to do with what my wife brings to the equation and everything to
do with what I bring but um this quote really hits home for me
with this topic we’ve been talking about and it says to love it all is to be vulnerable love anything and your heart
will be rung and possibly broken if you want to make sure of keeping it intact
you must give it to no one not even an animal wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries avoid all
entanglements lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness but in that casket safe dark motionless
airless it will change it will not be broken it will become unbreakable
impenetrable irredeemable to love is to be vulnerable
um that’s life and those who embrace vulnerability
as necessary for real life somehow don’t seem to suffer with it as much right
they still experience life’s pains and struggles and changes and gross they experience the dip in climbing the peak
they experience the waterfall and the bears and the eagles as they try to swim to the top they they experience all of
those things but they just see it as necessary life that’s life
yeah tyler thank you for breaking this down breaking down my breakdown with me
we never even got into your breakdown yet man we got there that was great we we we
we started with your breakdown and then you started lecturing everybody else about their breakdown
um but but I guess we’re all kind of in the same spot aren’t we we’re all there we’re all we’re all in the process of of
breakdown oh I just thought of a new analogy oh no i’ll I’ll just I’ll I’ll just say this i threw a lot of compost
in my garden yesterday i’ll leave it there i’ll I’ll let the audience figure that one out um yeah
that does remind me of the story Brad in the childhood story you referenced at the beginning
um do you remember dad brought home a whole truckload of manure one day and backed it up into our backyard and he’s
like “Hey boys we got some new gardening beds and I need all of you guys i need you guys to shovel this whole this whole
bed of cow manure into these new new uh beds so that I can grow my garden.” And then he left and so it’s just the three
of us there and and we started shoveling this crap into this these beds and I was
the one who was non I mean I you guys were the non-acceptant ones you and Rex and you’re like “Yeah dad this and that he’s always that whatever you know and I
sat there and in our religion there’s this story of like three brothers and one of them’s like the really good brother who does everything right who
you you’re telling this at the end yeah yeah exactly this is I’m going to put you and and so I turned to you and like
the brother’s name is Nephi and then the other two brothers who are always bad and like making like getting mad at
their dad are called Layman and Lemule and I I sat there and I leaned up on my shovel and I was like you know what boys
it’s kind of like I’m Nephi And you guys are laming and ling this story makes you look bad i
know and then I’m like all self-righteous shoveling this crap and then and then it made you guys ticked
off and I think you guys started like trying to throw like crap at me with the shovels and then I think we left and
then I think you left and I pretty much did the whole thing myself so I don’t know how that fits in but I love that
story well well you asked for a childhood story so I put it on I put it on for you with compost and manure um
all right we’ve gone off the rails hey I I don’t know if this uh this little
saying um could be more applicable to to a topic that we’ve talked uh about so
until next time guys keep on keeping on

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